Dave transitioned from a developer to an entrepreneur by leveraging his solid domain knowledge in a particular area of FinTech: dispute resolution for credit card transactions. He and his co-founders effectively used bootstrapping using services and piggybacked on the Pega Systems platform. Read on to learn more about his journey.
Sramana Mitra: Let’s start at the very beginning of your journey. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised, and in what kind of background?
>>>Sramana Mitra: Is there also a special category of boutiques or designers? I have a very good friend whom I hired out of Bergdorf Goodman in 1999 to be my VP of Merchandising – Bruce Pask. His partner is Donald Dean who’s a couture designer. He has a ready-to-wear line, but he’s also very much a custom designer.
What category of designers do you work with? Where do you get these designers? I found great small designers when I traveled. Is that something that can be accessed?
>>>Sramana Mitra: So tell me more about what happened when you launched it?
Rafael Ortiz: The business was an app for digitizing your wardrobe. The thinking was, we would digitize everything in your closet and provide you with styling services. We would create outfits of all the items in your closet and use that as a basis to generate recommendations for what you should then buy. There was a bit of service. We’re styling you as the value-add and then, hopefully, doing great recommendations all in this app.
>>>Sramana Mitra: If I remember correctly, NexTag was a vertical search engine right? These half a million keywords were all within the domain of electronics.
Rafael Ortiz: Initially yes. We added other categories like home goods and clothing.
Sramana Mitra: How big a business did the tech product vertical search engine become?
Rafael Ortiz: By the time we sold it, the entire business was doing $200 million in revenue. The tech portion of that was over half.
>>>Sramana Mitra: It’s important to figure out why it didn’t validate. What was your analysis of why the company failed?
Rafael Ortiz: In the end, the reason was margins were so tight for those retailers. They were in no position to issue dynamic pricing for their products. At that time, the whole sales channel was under a lot of pressure. Retailers simply cut prices to break even. There wasn’t a way in which they could do that. We could not deliver enough customers who were willing to pay different prices. The savvy shoppers would just play with our software. They did their homework and they would just hold out for discounts.
>>>Sramana Mitra: Could you describe the process of figuring out what you wanted to eventually build a startup on? What was the process of coming up with that problem?
Rafael Ortiz: What we did is counter to what a lot of people advise. A lot of people advise finding the problem and doing something that you’re passionate about. We didn’t do that. It was very much an MBA kind of exercise. The most important decision was deciding that we were going to start the company. Once you decide, everything then starts happening. The hardest part was making that decision.
>>>As you know, I have a passion for personalized luxury fashion and ventured into that market early on in 1999 when the market wasn’t quite ready for it yet. Rafael is building a wonderful luxury fashion venture with unique personalization details.
Sramana Mitra: Let’s start at the very beginning of your journey. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised, and in what kind of background?
>>>Sramana Mitra: What is your engineering team in Brazil like? How big is it? Is it all in one place?
Ricardo Josua: It’s spread around the world. We have 280 engineers at this point.
Sramana Mitra: In Sao Paulo?
Ricardo Josua: No, they’re remote. Maybe 120 are in Sao Paulo. We have become remote-first. People have an office if they want to go to an office. If the team wants to have a meeting and three of them are in India, everyone has to connect on their own device. It has to be the same experience for everyone. We have now engineers in India and Singapore. We have a growing team of engineers in the US and UK.
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