We’ve covered several stories of tech startups in Utah. Convirza is yet another interesting company from the mini tech hub.
Sramana Mitra: Let’s start at the very beginning of your story. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised, and in what kind of background?
Jason Wells: I was born and raised in Fresno, California. You may be familiar with it.
Sramana Mitra: I do know, yes.
Jason Wells: It’s interesting. I sure like change and new adventures but as a kid, I lived in the same home. I was the sixth of seven kids. Life was pretty simple for me as a kid. We had five acres. We had a little farm on our property. We had a couple of cows, horses, and chickens. It was an easy life. My entrepreneurial journey started when I was 11 years old. I talked my mom into buying 12 chickens for me. I don’t know how I talked her into buying. She bought them. I took care of them and I sold the eggs back to her. I sold them to all the neighbors. >>>
As a variation on our ‘Bootstrap First, Raise Money Later’ theme, we also see many entrepreneurs who have bootstrapped a first company (or business), and then gone onto venture-fund a second. Christian Chabot built Tableau Software in this mode. Sridhar Vembu built Zoho. We have numerous examples of this tried and true path. Something to consider for first-time entrepreneurs chasing venture capital and Unicorns.
Sramana Mitra: Let’s start at the very beginning of your personal story. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised, and in what kind of background?
Alon Aginsky: I was born and raised in Israel. After completing my army duty, I found myself in New York as a young entrepreneur trying to make it. Luckily, I was able to pick an opportunity and start a company in the area of call accounting that later became billing for small operators. That company that I started was a one-man show in the Empire State Building. I managed, after seven years, to take it public on NASDAQ. >>>
Sramana Mitra: I’m interested in more granular information.
Josh Levy: I think TV is a great example. In 2007 to 2010, television was cheap. The market and the economy were down. It was a great time for us to step in and grow the brand through television. At that time, we had been trying Facebook as an acquisition strategy for a long time. We were just never able to get it to work. Now Facebook has become more of a specific opportunity to focus on.
For us, it’s about, “How do we get Twitter to work now? What about Instagram? What’s our strategy now that TV is expensive?” We still believe in not just direct marketing. We believe in investing in brand marketing as well. Another strategy we’ve always looked at Ancestry, which is in the genealogy space. Are you familiar with Ancestry?
Sramana Mitra: Yes, very much. >>>
Sramana Mitra: Why did you raise money? What was the thinking behind raising money?
Manish Sood: The thinking behind raising money was that we had validated the opportunity and had substantial revenue was being generated, how do we accelerate? We are still dealing with enterprise customers. Some of these sales cycles can be long. At the same time, we wanted to make sure that the enterprise customers do not have any questions about the viability or the longevity of the organization. We are here for the longer term to work with them.
Sramana Mitra: If you have a balance sheet and P&L like that, you can always share that with enterprise customers. They would be fine with that. I don’t think that’s a reasonable justification. You wanted to raise money seems like a better justification. My point is it’s not to convince your customers that you’re huge. They’re not going to question your viability and longevity if you tell them you’re earning more than $5 million. >>>
Sramana Mitra: You have a lot of customers. You said you have customers in 50 countries. Does that mean that you also have customers in accounts that could become much larger because you already had started penetrating these accounts? You have small footprints in those accounts that can be grown to much larger value accounts.
Ofer Yourvexel: Sure. I have several examples for that actually. A good example is Brammer. It’s a company with 750 users around Europe. They started in the UK. They moved over to Germany with almost 100 users. They have plenty to continue on.
Sramana Mitra: When you got this company, they came in to you through this inbound marketing process? >>>
Sramana Mitra: What are the use cases? What are the drivers to want to subscribe to something like this? In my life, for instance, if I need to check somebody out, I go to LinkedIn and look at their profiles.
Josh Levy: If I have to pick the hardest problem for BeenVerified, it’s that we have too many different segments of users. It’s a gift and a curse. We have individuals who are just curious about what’s out there. Obviously, you have one type of service, which is a credit report. That only tells so much information. You have family members who are interested in things like, “Who are my kids dating? Who moved into my neighborhood?” We have people who are looking to reconnect. Obviously for a very large portion of people, Facebook and LinkedIn will solve that. >>>
Sramana Mitra: That’s your experience. We work with a very large number of entrepreneurs. Not everybody comes from a company where they’ve already seen a problem unsolved and then they go after that. You had a lot of your validation and probing done while you were already at Siperian and Informatica. You built upon that to go after a very similar customer base.
The process of finding the right solution is not always such a direct path for entrepreneurs. There’s more experimentation involved in a lot of cases than you have experienced because your path was more direct. The general methodology of bootstrapping using services worked for you and that’s something that we recommend heavily to entrepreneurs. Generally, it works the best for enterprise clients.
Let’s come back to where you got traction. Where was the initial traction coming from? >>>
Sramana Mitra: The total you’ve raised is $10 million and from the same investors?
Ofer Yourvexel: Yes.
Sramana Mitra: Where are you now in terms of ramp and scale? What have you built it up to?
Ofer Yourvexel: Acutally, I’m in a transition point. Because of my background of coming from large companies, we built the product to the enterprise. We knew that we cannot sell from day one to the enterprise because the product was not mature enough. The company was not mature enough to sell to the enterprise. We are now in a transition and we already have some enterprise customers. >>>