
If you haven’t already, please study our free Bootstrapping Course and Investor Introductions page.
R.J. Talyor, Founder CEO of Backstroke and Pattern89, talks thoughtfully about product idea validation for two AI companies. Backstroke is operating on the cutting edge of Generative AI and delivering clear ROI by solving a very specific problem.
Sramana Mitra: All right, R.J., let’s start at the very beginning of your journey. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised? What kind of background?
R.J. Talyor: Thanks for having me. I’m born and raised here in Indianapolis, Indiana. I always thought I’d leave, but I graduated from college with an English degree out of an entrepreneurial honors program. I ended up in this entrepreneurial fellowship right after school here in Indianapolis. It paired Indiana grads with leaders across the state and I got into a role at ExactTarget, which was, at the time, a small startup. We grew to be a $2.7B acquisition by Salesforce and became the ExactTarget Marketing Cloud within the Salesforce Marketing Cloud. So my career grew there over that ten years.

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In 2014, we covered John Wallace’s entrepreneur journey with DataSong, a bootstrapped venture that achieved a successful exit. LiftLab is his second company, and he is applying the same rigorous, lean, disciplined approach.
Sramana Mitra: John, welcome to the show again. It looks like you’re up to a new adventure. So, tell us about it.
John Wallace: I’ve been fortunate to be building LiftLab for the past five years. The team had built a company with me called DataSong, which, you covered. I feel very honored and fortunate to be a second time attendee on one of these interviews.
Something unique I’ll share about us is that, when we took some time off from DataSong after its acquisition, a couple of my colleagues had gotten back together and they were trying to figure out what they wanted to build next and I had shared an idea with them. I actually came back and rejoined the old team. And that idea was the beginning of LiftLab.

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Businesses are finding unexpected benefits by incorporating Generative AI into their product roadmaps. Ragic Founder Jeff Kuo shares how they have built a $5M ARR no-code platform in the market. A Generative AI front-end is adding unprecedented usability and adoption momentum. Fascinating!
Sramana Mitra: Alright, Jeff, let’s go to the very beginning of your journey. Where are you from? Where were you born, raised? What kind of background?
Jeff Kuo: I was born and raised in Taipei, Taiwan. I mostly grew up here, but in my childhood, I lived for two years in the US in Michigan.

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Wonderful story from 2020 of how Lawline CEO David Schnurman, an online education entrepreneur, had worked through plateaus and scaled his business over 15 years.
Sramana Mitra: Let’s start at the beginning of your journey. Where are you from? Where were you born and raised? What kind of background did you have?
David Schnurman: I’m from Brooklyn, New York, an area called Park Slope. It’s a beautiful area. I grew up there until I went to college in Washington DC where I met the love of my life, who’s here with me in Barcelona. We met in college and then I moved back to New York.

The lowest hanging fruit in terms of what CAN be fixed in a B-to-B SaaS venture is Positioning.
Even in B-to-C, Positioning can be fixed.
Sometimes, we switch from B-to-C to B-to-B.
If you are facing velocity challenges in a venture funded startup, look closely at your Positioning.
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Almost every market is super crowded.
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VCs bet on such bets.
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Product and Technology are not the same.
While technology failures are difficult to recover from, product issues can be addressed.
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